A new airport.... South Yorkshire Airport City?

Indeed, makes you wonder why MAI aren’t representing them again, clearly they didn’t get much bite when they went last year and probably imparted some home truths on their feedback report.

The low and base growth scenarios both seem to envisage no meaningful passenger flights ‘for several years’, the independent assessment shows that the low and base scenario are most likely to occur. I do wonder how that might go down with the Chadwick sycophants when they realise they have an open airport but are still subjected to the indignity of a 60 minute drive down the motorway? Public opinion can shift rapidly, Chadwick would be best advised to remember that.
As can political sentiment…….The best hope for this airport is that is can quickly become something the private sector is interested in bidding for so it can be offloaded (highly unlikely)…..
I caught a glimpse of Coppards response on ITV yesterday as to why he is confident they could make it profitable after Peel couldn’t…Offered some woolly response about doing thinks differently under Burnham, working with private sector partners and even made some reference to Water until its companies……In other words rewords had no real answer….
What is far more likely is like every other failed airport picked up by the public sector is it will require far more funding then expected just to keep it going!
 
As can political sentiment…….The best hope for this airport is that is can quickly become something the private sector is interested in bidding for so it can be offloaded (highly unlikely)…..
I caught a glimpse of Coppards response on ITV yesterday as to why he is confident they could make it profitable after Peel couldn’t…Offered some woolly response about doing thinks differently under Burnham, working with private sector partners and even made some reference to Water until its companies……In other words rewords had no real answer….
What is far more likely is like every other failed airport picked up by the public sector is it will require far more funding then expected just to keep it going!
Yes he can’t respond with a direct answer as he doesn’t have one. It’s a strategy based on hope and grounded in political arse covering. They couldn’t say no, project abandoned etc. It’s become a political showpiece for devolution and because the SYMCA board are made up entirely of Labour Mayors they have to be supportive of this to maintain political unity.

He did look quite awkward when he was being questioned about it, it’s really not like him because he’s usually quite confident in front of the camera.
 
Interesting 'tit bit' I noticed was that those recruited to date would be eligible for Public Sector pensions - which will be safeguarded - but that SYMCA would be examining future employment arrangements if the deal goes through!!
Can't help but think that the 'low' and 'base' forecast performance for passenger flights will resonate with the CAA as they deliberate as to whether to award the requested airspace for what appears to imply a scenario that was worse than before in terms of usage.
Did I interpret correctly that the arrangement will have to go to the SAU once again??
 
They are still claiming passenger flights by 2028. Maybe. But if there are any, it is likely to be general aviation, rather than scheduled. They are still practising the dark art of smoke and mirrors.

I would expect this complete change of direction to result in further delay while the Business Case is rewritten, subjected to SAU and Auditor scrutiny and I still suspect the CAA will reject the application for the same airspace, insisting they come up with something more in keeping with a small regional airport AND something that takes into consideration the Airspace Change Programme (ACP), which every airport is currently working towards. Unless I am missing something, FlyDonny have done nothing other than apply for its old airspace back. They probably don't even have the expertise on board yet that is needed to deal with the intracacies of the ACP.
 
They are still claiming passenger flights by 2028. Maybe. But if there are any, it is likely to be general aviation, rather than scheduled. They are still practising the dark art of smoke and mirrors.

I would expect this complete change of direction to result in further delay while the Business Case is rewritten, subjected to SAU and Auditor scrutiny and I still suspect the CAA will reject the application for the same airspace, insisting they come up with something more in keeping with a small regional airport AND something that takes into consideration the Airspace Change Programme (ACP), which every airport is currently working towards. Unless I am missing something, FlyDonny have done nothing other than apply for its old airspace back. They probably don't even have the expertise on board yet that is needed to deal with the intracacies of the ACP.
They had appointed external specialists to advise on, and presumably create, the airspace design and justification data. What may have been frustrating for the external specialists is also dealing with the political optics behind launching a consultation on something that the CAA appear to have several reservations about, but ultimately they have been completed under contract.

Interesting 'tit bit' I noticed was that those recruited to date would be eligible for Public Sector pensions - which will be safeguarded - but that SYMCA would be examining future employment arrangements if the deal goes through!!
Can't help but think that the 'low' and 'base' forecast performance for passenger flights will resonate with the CAA as they deliberate as to whether to award the requested airspace for what appears to imply a scenario that was worse than before in terms of usage.
Did I interpret correctly that the arrangement will have to go to the SAU once again??
There may be a requirement for SAU evaluation but I can’t see this changing anything to do with the outcome. They may just have to be careful on cross subsidy to entice airlines as that may lead to challenges wholly separate from the BRS vs CWL judgement. With all the private investment going into LBA, EMA and MAN I would expect they’ll be keen to protect that.
 
There’s been a subtle, and perhaps less subtle change in language since Monday.

Chadwick is keen to point out the could rather than the will but that’s probably just semantics.

The more meaningful change is around the passenger flights Spring 28 narrative. This has now been called an ‘ambition rather than a commitment’, this ties in with the external aviation advisors who suggest that the base and low models are most likely, with the low resulting in ‘no significant airline traffic for several years’. They do claim that a high model could see airlines consolidate into DSA, but I’m not sure which airlines they could be, Ryanair and Jet2 couldn’t consolidate their EMA and LBA ops at DSA, there simply isn’t room! So I think that’s a wildcard that they too deem as unlikely.

Freight demand is ‘surprisingly larger than expected’, although perhaps not in the high aviation value sense. Magma look keen to return which is not a surprise, I expect other ad/hoc and scheduled freight will return, but an integrator perhaps less likely.

With that in mind I think it’s plausible that this ‘phased reopening’ pauses at freight, 2Excel and GA. The structure of the deal means SYMCA would get 70% controlling rights, which means they’ll be keen to ensure the airport isn’t a huge loss leader (as far as is practically possible) and the passenger side is probably the most cost intensive aspect of the operation. The people who have supported it because of their own belief that cheap flights will flood the market may well be disappointed, but ultimately they’ll have brought aviation back to the site, they can blame the predicted crisis on the delay in attracting passenger flights, eventually turn the terminal and carpark land over for freight or other associated uses, and perhaps have a Blackpool on steroids operation. LDRS reporter, Harry Harrison, has openly gone on the offensive today over his apparent pull up by Coppard and Jones over reporting that the reporting of the lease negotiations as having failed were ‘categorically incorrect’, but the SYMCA board papers have said that the lease negotiations ‘faltered’. Again, semantics. One thing I’ve deduced from all of this is that the freehold purchase is the final reluctant option, it is not the ideal scenario for Coppard by any stretch, even judging by his stance over the last four years. This is why I fully believe, with SYMCA control, he will be keen to minimise the financial exposure owing to the scrutiny that will be applied. I therefore think rather than 2028 for passenger flights being an ‘ambition not a commitment’, that passenger flights are an ambition and not a commitment in general.

That is purely my opinion based on what we’ve seen. I do find it interesting that they have a Head of Cargo and GA, but they do not yet seem to have appointed anyone in the aviation development role, Christian Foster and the Ops Director have gone to routes in Frankfurt. MAI appear to have not had particularly good results last year, and the aviation consultants have clearly not seen any evidence of tangible interest when they were building and assessing their forecasts.

Be very interesting to see how this plays out.
 
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A bit more interesting news today with CDC now abandoning the £57million front load to reopen the airport. When the purchase goes through CDC will be absolved of the risk (a good thing for tax payers in my view) but being flippant im inferring from this that CDC have been out on the naughty step, YP have discovered that Damien Allen and Ros Jones had under calculated exposure over the next 30 years by £60 million. The lease they sighed was unworkable, so that saying to be a fly on the wall springs to mind here.

Anyway as already mentioned SYMCA take controlling rights, they will set the budgets and there’s no reason at the moment to believe they won’t be fiscally conservative in their approach primarily because of the risks highlighted with the proposal. For that reason I’m still of the opinion that passenger flights will only happen if there’s a tangible and scaleable proposal by an airline (s) to make it happen. The commitment becoming ambition reads to me a lot more than just ‘we’re still working on passenger flights and they’ll happen asap’. I would expect Christian Foster may get redeployed too?
 
A bit more interesting news today with CDC now abandoning the £57million front load to reopen the airport. When the purchase goes through CDC will be absolved of the risk (a good thing for tax payers in my view) but being flippant im inferring from this that CDC have been out on the naughty step, YP have discovered that Damien Allen and Ros Jones had under calculated exposure over the next 30 years by £60 million. The lease they sighed was unworkable, so that saying to be a fly on the wall springs to mind here.

Anyway as already mentioned SYMCA take controlling rights, they will set the budgets and there’s no reason at the moment to believe they won’t be fiscally conservative in their approach primarily because of the risks highlighted with the proposal. For that reason I’m still of the opinion that passenger flights will only happen if there’s a tangible and scaleable proposal by an airline (s) to make it happen. The commitment becoming ambition reads to me a lot more than just ‘we’re still working on passenger flights and they’ll happen asap’. I would expect Christian Foster may get redeployed too?
At last the adults are in the building! Well potentially. Chadwick’s disciples are getting all excited of course. Because magma might fly in once a week they are imagining Jet 2, Virgin, BA and EasyJet with every European and international option you can imagine. Who knows, maybe with control of the freehold someone can be talked into it - TUI maybe? I’ve no idea it’s not my industry
 
At last the adults are in the building! Well potentially. Chadwick’s disciples are getting all excited of course. Because magma might fly in once a week they are imagining Jet 2, Virgin, BA and EasyJet with every European and international option you can imagine. Who knows, maybe with control of the freehold someone can be talked into it - TUI maybe? I’ve no idea it’s not my industry
I think it’s less about talking airlines into it and more about whether the speculative investment into fully reopening the passenger facilities is balanced against the risk of it not generating suitable returns - like I say caution towards fiscal conservatism which is the playbook SYMCA have approached this with since day one, completely removed from the CDC narrative.

There is tangible freight interest, so we know Magma are keen to return (point to note that 80% of their network is now scheduled I understand, so genuinely potentially positive!), however it’s the airline market that I’m not convinced about still, and judging by SYMCAs external advisors, neither are they.

The Chadwick sycophants/more enthusiastic proponents (delete as appropriate) can wax lyrical all they want, the industry is heading for potential crisis next year with no immediate sign of improvement on the horizon, Jet2 are to put their 15th based aircraft into LBA, Ryanair predicting tough times. Wizzair UK are offering their LTN based First Officers an attractive voluntary redundancy package, TUI might not have the aircraft available to allocate to DSA as their business model has changed considerably since the days of ThomsonFly. I could put it politely but talk of Virgin and BA is just a joke, not in a million years, this is the sort of narrative that came back to bite Peel in the arse. Easyjet, who knows? I’ve always maintained that DSA provides them with a blank canvas, but they’ve tried it before with pretty terrible results, they are in the process of being bought out by an American firm who may or may not want to sell them off bit by bit, they’re also retreating into known markets and increasing the based aircraft allocation at MAN. Not a signal of an airline in strong growth mode.

This industry can be full of surprises and left field decisions, but these tend to happen when times are good not when they’re tough. So on balance I think a business park with a runway attached is the way this will go, if the sale goes through, certainly for the foreseeable future.
 
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A bit more interesting news today with CDC now abandoning the £57million front load to reopen the airport. When the purchase goes through CDC will be absolved of the risk (a good thing for tax payers in my view) but being flippant im inferring from this that CDC have been out on the naughty step, YP have discovered that Damien Allen and Ros Jones had under calculated exposure over the next 30 years by £60 million. The lease they sighed was unworkable, so that saying to be a fly on the wall springs to mind here.

Anyway as already mentioned SYMCA take controlling rights, they will set the budgets and there’s no reason at the moment to believe they won’t be fiscally conservative in their approach primarily because of the risks highlighted with the proposal. For that reason I’m still of the opinion that passenger flights will only happen if there’s a tangible and scaleable proposal by an airline (s) to make it happen. The commitment becoming ambition reads to me a lot more than just ‘we’re still working on passenger flights and they’ll happen asap’. I would expect Christian Foster may get redeployed too?
Christian Foster has already been told he will have to reapply, there are large concerns about the lack of aviation within the SMT, at C level, Director level and operational level
 
I've noticed over in social media land, a certain mechanic is stirring up excitement because Magma Aviation might soon be flying in their 747 freighters. Get ready for yet more claims that this will lead to Doncaster receiving all manner of long haul flights from around the globe, and how this will be thanks to the runway length....
 
I've noticed over in social media land, a certain mechanic is stirring up excitement because Magma Aviation might soon be flying in their 747 freighters. Get ready for yet more claims that this will lead to Doncaster receiving all manner of long haul flights from around the globe, and how this will be thanks to the runway length....
Soon? No airspace. No fire cover yet for a 747. No radar. No controllers in place. Not much at all. 12 months.....maybe?
 

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