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I don't think HS2 will effect BHX too much either way ,the NEC on the other hand could see a benefit of increased business users given the direct access by people mover that will be available.

As far as the new master plan I would think they must be in a bit of a holding position at present given the state of world presently although at busy times BHX currently is not great feels really cramped with lack of seating as ever more retail appears see the main pier.

When they do announce something I'd like nice and open area's with daylight and a outside outlook accross the airport while waiting for you flight. Meanwhile in reality we will get more retail "opportunities " including another bleeding Weatherspoons and endless coffee shops. 😃
 
I don't think HS2 will effect BHX too much either way ,the NEC on the other hand could see a benefit of increased business users given the direct access by people mover that will be available.

As far as the new master plan I would think they must be in a bit of a holding position at present given the state of world presently although at busy times BHX currently is not great feels really cramped with lack of seating as ever more retail appears see the main pier.

When they do announce something I'd like nice and open area's with daylight and a outside outlook accross the airport while waiting for you flight. Meanwhile in reality we will get more retail "opportunities " including another bleeding Weatherspoons and endless coffee shops. 😃
What I find annoying is that any investment is currently let down by lack of maintenance.

There are toilet doors missing from traps in various loos (gents) - doesn't sound much, but why invest in new washroom facilities when they cannot be used because of bad maintenance - just a waste of cash.
 
As an addition comment to MANFAN's comment on pprune (as per In an aside the escalator/stairs/lifts/security row has erupted again on pprune), I have always wondered why arrivals into the 2 BHX border areas emerge facing each other with fully loaded baggage trolleys.

Another example of lack of planning?
 
Hi Jon I removed my post as it was a bit jumbled up with Air India, however regarding the escalator saga etc.to be honest the departure procedure for people arriving via the monorail with luggage or just need to check in BHX is really poor. In recent times for me BHX has generally gone downhill just too many add on's and make do efforts and the baggage claim has been inadequate for years. Why are the stairs to the first floor signposted just to the people mover but not the security area for people who don't wish to use or wait for the lifts?

Not expecting Singapore but Birmingham should be better than its becoming. Next flight is in a couple of weeks first since May so will see how the never ending construction works are going no doubt more retail.
 
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In recent times for me BHX has generally gone downhill just too many add on's and make do efforts and the baggage claim has been inadequate for years.

As much as it pains me to say it I have to agree, some of the recent 'improvements' I feel have actually made things worse.

Lifts - I really have tried to make this make sense in my mind but I just can't. I've had conversations with many people about them and am yet to meet one who thinks it's a positive move, I'm also yet to step in one and not hear a negative comment from another person. It just seems unbelievable that you can arrive from public transport at the departure area only to be told to get a lift downstairs to then queue for the same lift to come back up again. I don't buy the safety argument either. Bullring Shopping Centre sees circa 40 million visitors per year, many with shopping bags and has multiple escalators. New St Station sees just under 37 million pax per year, many with luggage and has multiple escalators. I even used escalators last year in FRA, quite successfully I must add, one of the busiest airports in the world.

Anyone know if lifts are generally cheaper to run and maintain than escalators?

Security - I appreciate that their hand may have been forced with new regulations but they took a perfectly well functioning security area and made it smaller with less lanes and then wonder why there can be massive queues at peak times. This combined with the lifts and the smaller upstairs queueing space can make it such an awful experience in peak season.

T2 'improvements' - When there can be 7 or 8 Jet2 arrivals in a period of 30 mins or so five e-gates are nowhere near enough. In-laws took 75 minutes to clear T2 last month with 55 of those minutes spent queuing for the e-gates, I've heard others report similar.

So much money spent and purely from my experience, things have become worse. As said baggage reclaim is awful, the T1 departure lounge is hot and overcrowded at peak times and we still have the building works going on 3 (?) years after they started. It also feels as if standards have slipped, going into the toilets and seeing cubicle doors missing or people having to wait because door locks are broken or missing.

With the first phase of the new plan set to be completed by 2031 they really need to get this right as I think we're all getting fed up of the constant terminal 'reconfigurations'.
 
If you travel through virtually any European airport of similar size, you will find arrivals on the ground level, departures/check-in/bag-drop on the first floor with transport links to suit.
Why on Earth did the original designers/architects of the airport terminal put check-in and departures on different levels - it seems as if all subsequent developments have struggled to get around this fundamental error - a bit like putting lipstick on a pig.
 
As much as it pains me to say it I have to agree, some of the recent 'improvements' I feel have actually made things worse.

Lifts - I really have tried to make this make sense in my mind but I just can't. I've had conversations with many people about them and am yet to meet one who thinks it's a positive move, I'm also yet to step in one and not hear a negative comment from another person. It just seems unbelievable that you can arrive from public transport at the departure area only to be told to get a lift downstairs to then queue for the same lift to come back up again. I don't buy the safety argument either. Bullring Shopping Centre sees circa 40 million visitors per year, many with shopping bags and has multiple escalators. New St Station sees just under 37 million pax per year, many with luggage and has multiple escalators. I even used escalators last year in FRA, quite successfully I must add, one of the busiest airports in the world.

Anyone know if lifts are generally cheaper to run and maintain than escalators?

Security - I appreciate that their hand may have been forced with new regulations but they took a perfectly well functioning security area and made it smaller with less lanes and then wonder why there can be massive queues at peak times. This combined with the lifts and the smaller upstairs queueing space can make it such an awful experience in peak season.

T2 'improvements' - When there can be 7 or 8 Jet2 arrivals in a period of 30 mins or so five e-gates are nowhere near enough. In-laws took 75 minutes to clear T2 last month with 55 of those minutes spent queuing for the e-gates, I've heard others report similar.

So much money spent and purely from my experience, things have become worse. As said baggage reclaim is awful, the T1 departure lounge is hot and overcrowded at peak times and we still have the building works going on 3 (?) years after they started. It also feels as if standards have slipped, going into the toilets and seeing cubicle doors missing or people having to wait because door locks are broken or missing.

With the first phase of the new plan set to be completed by 2031 they really need to get this right as I think we're all getting fed up of the constant terminal 'reconfigurations'.
Here we go again...!

I dont think you'll find anyone anywhere who would suggest that a bank of lifts would be better than a bank of escalators. But the problem is the lack of space. The previous escalator was slap bang where security now is, so had to go. You could orient them parallel to the building frontage (i.e. as per the previous escalators) but that means you lose loads of space downstairs in that general mingling area. And you'd need at least 3, possibly more, with at least one running permanently down (we'll come back to this in a mo). Better to orient them perpendicular to the building frontage. But that leaves you either having to have a u-turn to get on the escalator at the bottom or a u-turn at the top. Both of those are, from a crowding perspective, terrible ideas. And the other problem with escalators is that they need a space at the top or bottom to spill out in to. If that space is not available, because there is a queue say, the only solution is to turn the escalator off. Lifts have the handy advantage of not requiring any of that - you can walk in and a few seconds later walk out exactly where you need to be. And if theres congestion, you can hold them for a period of time.

This is precisely the reason why the arrivals escalator is hardly ever in operation.

BHX's other issue was the desire to minimise the extension of the footprint of the building. Taking the building out too far would've triggered security issues with the sterile area immediately outside. Would probably quickly mean the car park being constrained, and/or closed. If you could've moved the building out much further then, yes, escalators may've been the right solution. But that is also far more expensive and cost is key here - especially as that directly translates in to landing fees and hence passenger fares.

The other problem that the security area has is the orientation of it in relation to the rest of the airport. Thats a legacy of many years of bolt ons, starting from the main build in the 70/80s. We dont have the luxury of the spanish (say) approach to airport design which finds a big piece of flat land and has a massive frontage to spread load.

Final point here - the air rail link will be no more soon. Once it goes, there will be no one going down in the lifts, so 4 lifts (plus 2 more a bit further down) and a heap of optimisation of space including expanding in to the current air-rail link space will follow.

Re the rest of your comments, i challenge you to find a security area anywhere in the sensible world that doesnt have challenges at peak hour. If you travel at peak hour, you should expect things to take longer. Every time i've been through security in the last 2 years ive been in and out in less than 5 minutes, with the exception of 1 occasion where i had the misfortune of being stuck behind a group of seemingly first time travellers who caused a heap of delays (but added no more than 5 minutes). That includes peak time travel.

I accept that arrivals isnt fantastic and the baggage reclaim hall in 'T1' is poor/old. Thats on the list of things to sort though, no?

As ever, a lot of the hyperbole online seems to think that we can magically make all those pesky passengers go away. Or proposes construction ideas that seem to imagine them not being there. We cant shut the airport. We cant cancel flights to reduce pax flows. 'improvements' have to be designed and delivered whilst catering for all of that - which means some hindrance during the construction phase. It also means you need to move one thing to create some space to allow you to move another thing to create some other space, etc. etc. Its a moving jigsaw puzzle with more pieces than there are spaces. And of course, all of these incremental changes need to be compliant with design regs, acceptable to the security services, etc.

This is partly why i've suggested before that, in some ways, the simplest solution is just to build a new airport somewhere else (e.g. the other side of the motorway) and start from scratch, but that is crazy money and there is no political will to make that happen (despite it being shown to be exactly the right thing to do many times across the world in recent years).

All in, i dont really understand the negativity. Unless that negativity results directly from reading a few negative articles on Birmingham Live or facebook - places not known for sharing positivity...!
 
I dont think you'll find anyone anywhere who would suggest that a bank of lifts would be better than a bank of escalators.

So you agree 🙂

But the problem is the lack of space.

I think that's pretty much what I was trying to say.

The previous escalator was slap bang where security now is, so had to go. You could orient them parallel to the building frontage (i.e. as per the previous escalators) but that means you lose loads of space downstairs in that general mingling area. And you'd need at least 3, possibly more, with at least one running permanently down (we'll come back to this in a mo). Better to orient them perpendicular to the building frontage. But that leaves you either having to have a u-turn to get on the escalator at the bottom or a u-turn at the top. Both of those are, from a crowding perspective, terrible ideas. And the other problem with escalators is that they need a space at the top or bottom to spill out in to. If that space is not available, because there is a queue say, the only solution is to turn the escalator off.

I think we all know the reasons as to why this has happened but the solution they came up with has, in my opinion, made things worse.

BHX's other issue was the desire to minimise the extension of the footprint of the building.

Exactly. Moving the security area into a space smaller than the one it came from seems crazy when pax numbers are growing as they are.

The other problem that the security area has is the orientation of it in relation to the rest of the airport. Thats a legacy of many years of bolt ons,

Totally agree but looking at the newly released master plan and what do we see, yet more bolt-ons. I appreciate that we haven't yet seen it in full detail yet so I'll hold off full judgement until we do.

Re the rest of your comments, i challenge you to find a security area anywhere in the sensible world that doesnt have challenges at peak hour. If you travel at peak hour, you should expect things to take longer.


Again I totally agree, I always allow extra time and have said so myself on here before. We travel during the peak school holidays and the only time I've used BHX in recent years without a fast pass ticket it took us nearly 90 mins to clear security. I won't even mention the absolute chaos downstairs whilst queueing for the lifts. I don't ever remember experiencing anything like that in the old set up.

In the last few years the only airport I've had really bad experience at was arrival at PRG which took just over 90 mins, departures was great. The longest security queue I joined was an extremely lengthy one in KRK but it was constantly moving unlike I've experienced at BHX where things came to a complete stop.

As ever, a lot of the hyperbole online seems to think that we can magically make all those pesky passengers go away.

I don't do hyperbole I only speak from my experiences and those of people I know. If you read the reviews thread I think you'll find the vast majority of my comments about BHX are very complimentary 🙂

All in, i dont really understand the negativity.

Maybe because your experiences have been good so therefore everyone else's must also be good?

Or proposes construction ideas that seem to imagine them not being there. We cant shut the airport. We cant cancel flights to reduce pax flows. 'improvements' have to be designed and delivered whilst catering for all of that - which means some hindrance during the construction phase. It also means you need to move one thing to create some space to allow you to move another thing to create some other space, etc. etc. Its a moving jigsaw puzzle with more pieces than there are spaces. And of course, all of these incremental changes need to be compliant with design regs, acceptable to the security services, etc.

Again I agree and I don't think anybody expects these things to be easy. I appreciate the challenges associated with such a constrained site but when the security area has been made smaller and the access is by lining up for a lift they have to expect some criticism when the queues are like they sometimes are.

I think this current security set up has made the airport worse, others may disagree and that's fine as we are all entitled to an opinion.

What's done is done, I'm just looking forward to seeing details of the future plans and really hoping they get it right.
 
Security isnt really in a smaller space though - the room its in has 6 much higher capacity scanners, and heaps of space around to facilitate movement. The queuing area is a bit constrained, but will be bigger once all the building work is done. And i would bet that the overall queuing area, both now and in the future, is likely bigger than what we had before in any case.

Either way, we are where we are. I speak from my experience, and several regular flyers, and also from the experience of friends who work at the airport (for BHX Ltd, rather than a coffee shop etc. within) and who know far more about the detail of security queuing etc. than any of us do.

But, as ever, bad news sells newspapers (or clicks, in the modern world). Its easy to sell stories about failings. Nobody, on the other hand, is going to click an article that says 'no queues at the security desks for the 5th day running', are they?
 

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