Birmingham: Airport Master Plan 2018

[Ryan Kirkpatrick]

I'd still like to see the old MAEL site be taken over and kept for MRO use, possibly with the much talked about third hangar built in due course.

The Elmdon site can then be used for a dedicated Jet2 Terminal with enough parking for 20 based aircraft 🙂

Sadly that is unlikely to happan best to use the old Elmdon building as office space for private & cargo operations. Not like that idea has gone though my head for domestic & Irish Flights but you have better rail, bus & parking with the Eastside then Southside. The ex-monarch hanger is looking for buyers & once it has it go back to normal operations with a new owner, likely fix most aircraft based at BHX like Flybe, TUI, Jet2 & TCX along with aircraft from Virgin, BA, Norwegian & so on. I am still waiting on Hanger 2 to knocked down. With that space a new small hanger for the police choppers can be built & for private aircraft. With that bigger aircraft like the 757, 767, 777, A330F cargo jets are more likely to use Elmdon Apron since one side is more for private jets. BHX is keen on getting more cargo through the airport so companies don't have to travel to EMA, MAN, STD & LHR to ship shock. But right now I still see this master plan as just a concept but have to wait till 2030s to see if this plan becomes real. With that hopefully we will get flight to Asia & USA but with LHR & Manchester still having big plans to expand. I am hopeful that bhx will get something good.

 

[Ray Finkle]

I am still waiting on Hanger 2 to knocked down.

I believe that Flybe have started using it again so it may be around for a while yet.

 

[SRDey]

It’s sad really that we are going to be hosting the 2022 Commonwealth games and the terminal isn’t really going to be expanded. I know it may not bring in the Airlines but it may help the Airport especially if we want more Long Hall international airlines like Cathay Pacific, Air Canada, Singapore Airlines, ect... to join and we want to welcome people and athletes from across Commonwealth then we should be promoting that fact that we are hosting the games and will be drawing in so much potential for Birmingham Airport and City in general. I think expansion of the terminal should be on the cards ASAP really.

 

[Creguk]

Maybe we are at the peak of air travel and this is just it.

 

[IanFarquharson]

https://www.newcivilengineer.com/la...ion-in-doubt-following-hs2-review-30-08-2019/

 

[juliet-fox-9]

I'm pretty sure that the makeover of the terminal (it can hardly be called an "expansion") will be needed for the summer rush regardless of whether HS2 goes ahead - unless passenger numbers start falling?

With regard to the HS2 review, the chairman is supportive. Boris Johnson is in favour of massive infrastructure spending in general. He gave the go ahead to Crossrail phase 1 as Mayor of London.

Crossrail 2 is currently planned to be developed in parallel with Northern Powerhouse Rail, another project supported by Johnson. HS2 and HS3 would provide connectivity between them. Johnson should be aware of this.

The issue is we seem to be gearing up for a general election, and if the Opposition parties happen to form a majority I would put my money on government spending priorities significantly changing.

 

[58terminus]

Boris Johnson is in favour of massive infrastructure spending in general. He gave the go ahead to Crossrail phase 1 as Mayor of London.

As Major of London he gave the go ahead for a multi billion pound London project.As Prime Minister of the U.K recent history shows that he will not need to change his priorities.
On the other hand Mayors of our other big conurbations do not have the power to give the go ahead for a new pedestrian crossing,

 

[andrew.clarkson]

Hi there all, going back to the master plan that recently been published by the airport, I noticed that a report by the civil engineers, said that Birmingham airport projected pax for 2016 was 11,800,000, well that was a miscalculation of two thousand plus, plus year on growth of 3%,which would mean growth of 354,000 plus every year, up to 2030 of 535, 456, which would be 18,383,988. But as we know it, passenger numbers for 2016 was 11,645, some 150,000 less of what they predicated. So passengers numbers for last year were 12,445, down 4.2%. So if they are to reach 18million passengers or more by 2033, the airport needs regular growth of 3% plus to achieve this. Andyc

 

[Ianbutty]

As Major of London he gave the go ahead for a multi billion pound London project.As Prime Minister of the U.K recent history shows that he will not need to change his priorities.
On the other hand Mayors of our other big conurbations do not have the power to give the go ahead for a new pedestrian crossing,

The Government approved Crossrail. It was a project of long gestation before Boris Johnson did anything and approved by an Act in 2005. He attended the first spade in the ground ceremony though. The only bit of "infrastructure" that he can claim any credit for in London is the cable car which has been a tremendous ....... flop.

HS2 is a must. A nation this small should have fast rail. But this is the UK and we like to take our time, create uncertainty and then take a bit more time.

 

[smithy108]

https://www.newcivilengineer.com/la...ion-in-doubt-following-hs2-review-30-08-2019/

Before they publish the next article on BHX airport, perhaps they can make sure they use more recent images rather than nostalgic shots of Monarch aircraft taken sometime in 2017 🙁

 

[58terminus]

The Government approved Crossrail. It was a project of long gestation before Boris Johnson did anything and approved by an Act in 2005. He attended the first spade in the ground ceremony though. The only bit of "infrastructure" that he can claim any credit for in London is the cable car which has been a tremendous ....... flop.

Interestingly Crossrail was well past the point of no return before the massive overspend was revealed. Nobody realised? I don't think so.
How come overspend on an infrastructure project that benefits the southeast can go under the radar for so long but spending on one that is supposed to benefit the rest of the country is scrutinised from the word go.
People can draw their own conclusions.

 

[Ianbutty]

Interestingly Crossrail was well past the point of no return before the massive overspend was revealed. Nobody realised? I don't think so.
How come overspend on an infrastructure project that benefits the southeast can go under the radar for so long but spending on one that is supposed to benefit the rest of the country is scrutinised from the word go.
People can draw their own conclusions.

Crossrail was very poorly conceived and will add nothing the the UK as a whole. It should have always been a north south link getting people through London to the continent.

London projects pretty much always go over budget but there is little scrutiny....apart from the garden bridge, which was thankfully stopped before too much damage had occurred.

Now HS2 has been delayed 5 years according to Grant Schnapps. Strange statement to make given that's review has only just been launched and had not reported yet.

 

[juliet-fox-9]

According to Allan Cook (the HS2 chairman) there will be a delay until the line is used at full capacity but construction is still set to complete by 2026.

“The target date for Phase One services is set at December 2026 in the Development Agreement, with Baseline 6.1 (described on page 17 below) introducing the concept of staged opening (3 trains per hour (tph) between Old Oak Common and Birmingham Curzon Street in December 2026 and 10tph between Euston and the North West in December 2027)."

 

[Ray Finkle]

To me the only surprise is that it has taken this long to announce a delay.

 

[Ianbutty]

To me the only surprise is that it has taken this long to announce a delay.

Only in the UK would one delay announcing a delay.

 

[58terminus]

Now HS2 has been delayed 5 years according to Grant Schnapps. Strange statement to make given that's review has only just been launched and had not reported yet.

What a shame for the people who for the next few years will be passing the sites of the homes and business's they were evicted from
and see derelict land.And no guarantee that it wont be much longer than that.

 

[Coathanger16]

Sounds like they're spreading the cost of this out over a longer period. Delaying finishing by 5 years means the cost per year is roughly the same although the overall cost has increased by 30%.

I'd take a 5 year delay over HS2 being scrapped any day.

 

[andrew.clarkson]

Hi there all, I believe and know that hs2 should be scrapped, because we don't need another rail network, we have already got one in place, the current network is so massively under funded and it has been for years, building a new one is a total waste of money... Andyc

 

[Coathanger16]

For anyone who thinks HS2 should be scrapped I'd suggest taking a good look at this:

HS2 is the only option for Britain’s railways

The high-speed rail project comes with huge economic and practical benefits, but politicians have failed miserably at explaining them, Jon Stone argues

www.independent.co.uk

To get any meaningful improvement out of the existing rail network would likely cost almost as much as HS2 whilst causing decades of disruption to the current network. At least HS2 largely avoids the latter.

 

[Ray Finkle]

we have already got one in place, the current network is so massively under funded and it has been for years, building a new one is a total waste of money

I very rarely use the railways these days but from what I understand the current network is massively under capacity with severe overcrowding and to upgrade it to the standard required would (as said above) cost almost as much as HS2. It seems as if a new line is needed and if you are going to build one then you might as well make it a high speed one.