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CAA figures due out on the 17th January for December. Expect another grim read with a possible 15 to 17% drop in numbers.
Leeds Bradford: CAA Provisional Statistics Update
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White Heather
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It seems unlikely given the recent downturn in the economy. Around 2.85m is what I would expect, but I hope I am wrong and the figure is higher.
It seems unlikely given the recent downturn in the economy. Around 2.85m is what I would expect, but I hope I am wrong and the figure is higher.
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December was -19.1% down on the same month last year, rolling years figures now 2,860,555
December was -19.1% down on the same month last year, rolling years figures now 2,860,555
White Heather
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I think that in the current situation we have to view the status quo as a success story, rather than a failure. Most airports figures are down, so at least we have stayed where we were. I am sure that had things not gone the way they have we would now have been looking at over 3m pax for the year.
I think that in the current situation we have to view the status quo as a success story, rather than a failure. Most airports figures are down, so at least we have stayed where we were. I am sure that had things not gone the way they have we would now have been looking at over 3m pax for the year.
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Final passenger numbers for 2008 stayed the same as the previous year.
Leeds was 0% no change on the previous year @ 2,860,447
Doncaster was -9.9% down on the previous year @ 967,801
Humberside was -8.9% down on the previous year @ 424,402
Manchester was -3.8% down on the previous year @ 21,062,749
Newcastle was -10.8% down on the previous year @ 5,016,640
Liverpool was -2.4% down on the previous year @ 5,329,826
East Midlands was 3.9% up on the previous year @ 5,616,278
Provisional statistics from the CAA
January numbers will be out shortly.
Final passenger numbers for 2008 stayed the same as the previous year.
Leeds was 0% no change on the previous year @ 2,860,447
Doncaster was -9.9% down on the previous year @ 967,801
Humberside was -8.9% down on the previous year @ 424,402
Manchester was -3.8% down on the previous year @ 21,062,749
Newcastle was -10.8% down on the previous year @ 5,016,640
Liverpool was -2.4% down on the previous year @ 5,329,826
East Midlands was 3.9% up on the previous year @ 5,616,278
Provisional statistics from the CAA
January numbers will be out shortly.
White Heather
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Well this shows two things - firstly LBA did very well last year compared to most airports and secondly we have a lot of catching up to do with the likes of Liverpool which not that many years ago had less passengers than LBA. Then Peel Holdings bought it and for once they were successful!
Well this shows two things - firstly LBA did very well last year compared to most airports and secondly we have a lot of catching up to do with the likes of Liverpool which not that many years ago had less passengers than LBA. Then Peel Holdings bought it and for once they were successful!
Yes indeed.... I remember when Liverpool was losing passenger numbers but the LCC´s arrived and look at the numbers now. LBA is similar with Jet2 and probably if Ryanair base there, and maybe others (Flybe) the numbers will start to catch up with the likes of Liverpool, etc. For instance, just had an email from a friend who is taking her little girl to Billund from Edinburgh, a new Ryanair service. The cost 0.01p. She would never have gone in the old days, but a new service at an attractive price results in two new passengers for Edinburgh´s monthly total. Increased airport numbers then justifies new capital expenditure which in turn makes for an enhanced passenger experience which in turn produces increased numbers again.
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The passenger figures at Liverpool mask the fact that they have only recently started to make money.
The passenger figures at Liverpool mask the fact that they have only recently started to make money.
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I would say Easyjet deserve most of the credit for that, Peel bought it at least a year after they realised the potential of using secondary airports with large catchment areas.... I would say FR had their part to play too. I think this is what made Peel so bullish.
I hope to hear FR anounce a base at LBA soon and the big expansion from FlyBE which has been hinted at, could be upto 5 million pax p/a thereafter.
I would say Easyjet deserve most of the credit for that, Peel bought it at least a year after they realised the potential of using secondary airports with large catchment areas.... I would say FR had their part to play too. I think this is what made Peel so bullish.
I hope to hear FR anounce a base at LBA soon and the big expansion from FlyBE which has been hinted at, could be upto 5 million pax p/a thereafter.
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Some stats out so far on the domestic front. Without a doubt the biggest collapse I have seen since Northern Rock went tits up or England's last Eurovision effort. Here is the damage so far:
Aberdeen - 7253 -9%
Belfast City - 1476 -13%
Bristol - 4198 -19%
Edinburgh - 2043 -48%
Exeter - 907 -14%
Glasgow - 2019 -28%
Heathrow - 7253 -31%
Inverness - 0 -100%
Isle of Man - 840 -16%
Above routes total 21,009 -27%
Not a pretty picture is it!!!!
Some stats out so far on the domestic front. Without a doubt the biggest collapse I have seen since Northern Rock went tits up or England's last Eurovision effort. Here is the damage so far:
Aberdeen - 7253 -9%
Belfast City - 1476 -13%
Bristol - 4198 -19%
Edinburgh - 2043 -48%
Exeter - 907 -14%
Glasgow - 2019 -28%
Heathrow - 7253 -31%
Inverness - 0 -100%
Isle of Man - 840 -16%
Above routes total 21,009 -27%
Not a pretty picture is it!!!!
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I think Bigman has misread some of the above figures. If Aberdeen carried over 7000 pax, it works out at an average of 40 pax per flight when 80% of the flights are on a 29 seat aircraft. LHR figures are the sameas ABZ. BHD works out at 50 pax per day, is it that bad?
If any body wants to check, visit www.caa.co.uk.
I think Bigman has misread some of the above figures. If Aberdeen carried over 7000 pax, it works out at an average of 40 pax per flight when 80% of the flights are on a 29 seat aircraft. LHR figures are the sameas ABZ. BHD works out at 50 pax per day, is it that bad?
If any body wants to check, visit www.caa.co.uk.
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Still no stats available for LBA from the CAA but I expect that January figures will see around a 20% reduction on January of last year.
As I pointed out before, it is important to remember that the reductions were planned into the winter schedule. A complete guess but I would say taking that into account, passenger numbers are probably close the the national average at around -8% down. When the summer program kicks in we will see a more faithful monthly figure.
Still no stats available for LBA from the CAA but I expect that January figures will see around a 20% reduction on January of last year.
As I pointed out before, it is important to remember that the reductions were planned into the winter schedule. A complete guess but I would say taking that into account, passenger numbers are probably close the the national average at around -8% down. When the summer program kicks in we will see a more faithful monthly figure.
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Some CAA stats out now for February.
Edinburgh - 1871 Down 51% (surely got to go soon)
Heathrow - 6717 Down 42%
Bristol - 1860 Down 33% (what price this gets pulled so they can do NQY-LCY?)
Glasgow - 1846 Down 30% (surely another one for the chop)
Exeter - 1103 Down 22% (not surprised with the poor timings etc)
Isle of Man - 903 Down 9% - not too bad this one
Aberdeen - 1853 Up 15% - at last a shing light. Note - now the same as GLA and EDI.
Comments anyone.
Some CAA stats out now for February.
Edinburgh - 1871 Down 51% (surely got to go soon)
Heathrow - 6717 Down 42%
Bristol - 1860 Down 33% (what price this gets pulled so they can do NQY-LCY?)
Glasgow - 1846 Down 30% (surely another one for the chop)
Exeter - 1103 Down 22% (not surprised with the poor timings etc)
Isle of Man - 903 Down 9% - not too bad this one
Aberdeen - 1853 Up 15% - at last a shing light. Note - now the same as GLA and EDI.
Comments anyone.
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Some depressing figures Bigman although a 51% reduction of what was a good load previously could still be workable. The same could also apply to the other destinations mentioned.
Some depressing figures Bigman although a 51% reduction of what was a good load previously could still be workable. The same could also apply to the other destinations mentioned.
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Yes , some of the reduction equate to the fact that last year 3 or 4 flights a day operated, against only 2 flights a day this year, with the EDI/GLA flights.
Yes , some of the reduction equate to the fact that last year 3 or 4 flights a day operated, against only 2 flights a day this year, with the EDI/GLA flights.
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Well, if I were using the data to present a proper assessment of the performance of the airport, there are three very obvious comments to make.
1) You must post the capacity reductions alongside the passenger numbers so there an appropiate frame of reference. If EDI has gone from 4 flights to 2, then I would be surprised at anything other than a 50% reduction !!
2) What are the capacity / volume changes on domestic routes generally in the UK and on specific comparable routes e.g. MAN-EDI, MAN-BRS. Is this an LBA phenomenon or a reflection of conditions in the market generally?
3) Avoid knee-jerk conclusions about "this one is for the chop" unless you have data about forward bookings and yields. Airlines know 1-3 months in advance what the likely bookings and revenue will be for any given route and bmi, Air Southwest, Flybe will be looking at April & May not February.
and specifically for Feb 2009 - what was the impact of the adverse weather on UK domestic / business travel.
Bigman said:
Well, if I were using the data to present a proper assessment of the performance of the airport, there are three very obvious comments to make.
1) You must post the capacity reductions alongside the passenger numbers so there an appropiate frame of reference. If EDI has gone from 4 flights to 2, then I would be surprised at anything other than a 50% reduction !!
2) What are the capacity / volume changes on domestic routes generally in the UK and on specific comparable routes e.g. MAN-EDI, MAN-BRS. Is this an LBA phenomenon or a reflection of conditions in the market generally?
3) Avoid knee-jerk conclusions about "this one is for the chop" unless you have data about forward bookings and yields. Airlines know 1-3 months in advance what the likely bookings and revenue will be for any given route and bmi, Air Southwest, Flybe will be looking at April & May not February.
and specifically for Feb 2009 - what was the impact of the adverse weather on UK domestic / business travel.
