A new airport.... South Yorkshire Airport City?

[Danny]

I would bet that Yorkshire Aeroplane Club will now be wondering if moving from LBA after so many years there, to DSA, was a good move, as now they need another new home..

A post on their Facebook page reads:

“It has come with great sadness today, that we have heard of the permanent closure of Doncaster Sheffield Airport. This certainly marks a dark day not only for aviation but for local business as a whole across the South Yorkshire region. Although the impact on YAC will be somewhat limited, due to our ability to offer all of our services from our Sandtoft Airfield base, our thoughts are with the colleagues from other DSA based businesses who do not have this luxury and will face some worryingly uncertain times ahead. All that remains to be said on this issue is a message to Peel Holdings that undoubtedly will be echoed by the businesses and employees alike, who will be adversely affected by the direct result of what is presumably an act of corporate financial greed; SHAME ON YOU!”

 

[pug]

A post on their Facebook page reads:

“It has come with great sadness today, that we have heard of the permanent closure of Doncaster Sheffield Airport. This certainly marks a dark day not only for aviation but for local business as a whole across the South Yorkshire region. Although the impact on YAC will be somewhat limited, due to our ability to offer all of our services from our Sandtoft Airfield base, our thoughts are with the colleagues from other DSA based businesses who do not have this luxury and will face some worryingly uncertain times ahead. All that remains to be said on this issue is a message to Peel Holdings that undoubtedly will be echoed by the businesses and employees alike, who will be adversely affected by the direct result of what is presumably an act of corporate financial greed; SHAME ON YOU!”

Regardless of our viewpoint on the viability of DSA, there does seem to be something very underhand about the whole thing. Perhaps they’re just ripping the plaster off? Some people who I consider to be well informed have told me that the airport have increased their handling fees a fair bit since 2019 - that doesn’t add up to me as Wizz didn’t announce their base til 2020, maybe it was because they had Wizz in mind for expansion. Either way something has swayed them, there was a DFT report that wasn’t particularly rosy when predicting future passenger throughput there. Strangely hasn’t been much publicised and I’m still trying to find it.

 

[White Heather]

Regardless of our viewpoint on the viability of DSA, there does seem to be something very underhand about the whole thing. Perhaps they’re just ripping the plaster off? Some people who I consider to be well informed have told me that the airport have increased their handling fees a fair bit since 2019 - that doesn’t add up to me as Wizz didn’t announce their base til 2020, maybe it was because they had Wizz in mind for expansion. Either way something has swayed them, there was a DFT report that wasn’t particularly rosy when predicting future passenger throughput there. Strangely hasn’t been much publicised and I’m still trying to find it.

Well, when you consider that Peel were basically accused by Wizz UK of reneging on the contract - which I took to mean they were either reducing (or removing) a financial incentive, or they were increasing fees, both of which could turn operationally viable into non viable, and that Peel appear to have been increasing fees in recent times, making DSA less appealing, it does seem as though the decision to run down the airport was taken some time ago.

We all know that Wizz UK pulling their base was seen as the final straw but my suspicion is, (based on other things I have heard) that Wizz Europe were also intending to quit DSA well before Peel announced their review. If that was the case and only TUi would be left, then the situation would indeed be dire. That's only my suspicion though - not a fact!

I suppose the question is, if Peel increased landing fees, despite the need to attract more carriers rather than less, why did they do it? Perhaps because lower, incentivised fees were no longer sustainable, or because they were needing to charge more to reduce losses, which would be a calculated risk and one that's apparently failed.

It's all very sad, but let's face it. It's a situation which can always happen with any privately owned business, irrespective of how much impact there is in the region. It's no different really in terms of impact, to the closure of Sheffield's steelworks, or the coalmines in South Yorkshire. It's a decision that will change lives and it's difficult to see South Yorkshire having a commercial airport of any type again in the future.

There's a religious phrase which sums it up really.
"The Lord giveth. The Lord taketh away".
That's exactly what Peel are doing now.

 

[GolfFox]

Isn't LBA a tad too busy these days for light aircraft to be clogging up the circuit?

Probably so at times but the closure of runway 28 is perhaps far more significant as there would be too many non-flying days due to cross wind considerations.

 

[White Heather]

Probably so at times but the closure of runway 28 is perhaps far more significant as there would be too many non-flying days due to cross wind considerations.

Leeds East is probably better for such flights now, and then there's Sherburn too, also close to Leeds. It's not like LBA is s the only option in the Leeds area for flight training..and as we have heard, Sandtoft too in lieu of DSA.

 

[a300boy]

I will happily cope with the crosswinds and all the other weather Lba throws at me.
The short walk to Multiflight suits me fine.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Leeds East is probably better for such flights now, and then there's Sherburn too, also close to Leeds. It's not like LBA is s the only option in the Leeds area for flight training..and as we have heard, Sandtoft too in lieu of DSA.

Leeds East would be a good move for YAC. Good runways and only limited conflicting traffic.

 

[Crashgate]

Notams have been issued that seem to be aimed at putting off the passing trade. Effective from the 7th October, interesting that they are in place until the 5th January 2023. Expected it to say it was permanent.

C5765/22
Q) EGTT/QFALT/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5329N00100W005
B)2210071600 C)2301051600
E) AD CLSD TO NONE SCHEDULED AND NONE BASED TFC, OPERATORS SHOULD BE
AWARE THAT AD IS NOT AVBL FOR ENROUTE DIVERSIONS


C5766/22
Q) EGTT/QFALT/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5329N00100W005
B)2210071600 C)2301051600
E) GA AND EXECUTIVE AVIATION HANDLING NOT AVBL


C5767/22
Q) EGTT/QFALT/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5329N00100W005
B)2210071600 C)2301051600
E) CARGO HANDLING SERVICES NOT AVBL

 

[White Heather]

Most definitely true to their word, and winding down aviation services.

 

[radar]

Notams have been issued that seem to be aimed at putting off the passing trade. Effective from the 7th October, interesting that they are in place until the 5th January 2023. Expected it to say it was permanent.

NOTAMs can’t be permanent, permanent changes are reflected instead in the AIP.

I’d expect further NOTAMs, detailing how the airport is fully closed, to cover the period until the next AIRAC when the permanent withdrawal of the EGCN AIP entry would be promulgated.

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Notams have been issued that seem to be aimed at putting off the passing trade. Effective from the 7th October, interesting that they are in place until the 5th January 2023. Expected it to say it was permanent.

C5765/22
Q) EGTT/QFALT/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5329N00100W005
B)2210071600 C)2301051600
E) AD CLSD TO NONE SCHEDULED AND NONE BASED TFC, OPERATORS SHOULD BE
AWARE THAT AD IS NOT AVBL FOR ENROUTE DIVERSIONS


C5766/22
Q) EGTT/QFALT/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5329N00100W005
B)2210071600 C)2301051600
E) GA AND EXECUTIVE AVIATION HANDLING NOT AVBL


C5767/22
Q) EGTT/QFALT/IV/NBO/A/000/999/5329N00100W005
B)2210071600 C)2301051600
E) CARGO HANDLING SERVICES NOT AVBL

Shame the CAA don't know the difference between 'none' and 'non'

 

[White Heather]

Look North back on the DSA case Monday and tonight. They are reporting that Peel turned down another offer of public cash to keep the airport open last night. There have been no meetings with the Dept. for Transport and the local MP is claiming there are 72 hours in which to save the airport. Why he says that isn't obvious. However it appears already that unless the flight is a DSA scheduled flight or based at DSA, then the airport is effectively closed. It feels like it's already too late and if by some miracle a solution is found, it still seems that the buyer will be buying an airport with no airline partners - unless TUi and Wizz have clauses Inthe contracts with their alternate airports allowing them to cancel the move if DSA stays open..

 

[Kevin Farnell]

Sadly, I think that Peel had decided the future of DSA quite some time ago and it's fate is sealed, other than for a stupid amount of cash for an airport that has never returned a profit.
My thoughts are with all of those who will lose their livelihoods because of this.

Kevin

 

[LBAYORKIE]

Do we know where 'oil spill response' are moving to?

 

[rollo]

Do we know where 'oil spill response' are moving to?

It's due to move to Cardiff this month initially as a temporary arrangement but may become permanent info as posted earlier by BlueManc see post 157, also on the Cardiff forum.

Post automatically merged: Oct 13, 2022

 

[pug]

Look North back on the DSA case Monday and tonight. They are reporting that Peel turned down another offer of public cash to keep the airport open last night. There have been no meetings with the Dept. for Transport and the local MP is claiming there are 72 hours in which to save the airport. Why he says that isn't obvious. However it appears already that unless the flight is a DSA scheduled flight or based at DSA, then the airport is effectively closed. It feels like it's already too late and if by some miracle a solution is found, it still seems that the buyer will be buying an airport with no airline partners - unless TUi and Wizz have clauses Inthe contracts with their alternate airports allowing them to cancel the move if DSA stays open..

Support offered by Oliver Coppard now at 24 months of underwritten losses with a view to getting Peel back round the table and with a view to entering negotiations with as yet unnamed interested investment propositions. Be interesting to see what the next couple of weeks bring as I think it all boils down to that. Soon as the last commercial aircraft has departed the necessary navigation infrastructure will be the first ti go IMO.

 

[White Heather]

Support offered by Oliver Coppard now at 24 months of underwritten losses with a view to getting Peel back round the table and with a view to entering negotiations with as yet unnamed interested investment propositions. Be interesting to see what the next couple of weeks bring as I think it all boils down to that. Soon as the last commercial aircraft has departed the necessary navigation infrastructure will be the first ti go IMO.

They already turned down 13 months of support via public funding, so if they are true to their word, they certainly won't accept even more. Coppard is deluded when he claims that with the right owners DSA has a successful future. It also seems to have escaped his notice that Wizz, TUi and Excel have all announced their off, and given the uncertainty about the airports future, why would they now stay? They could end up back in the same situation again in the not too distant future. Airlines need to have some certainty and right now, certainty is something DSA doesn't have.

 

[GolfFox]

Support offered by Oliver Coppard now at 24 months of underwritten losses with a view to getting Peel back round the table and with a view to entering negotiations with as yet unnamed interested investment propositions. Be interesting to see what the next couple of weeks bring as I think it all boils down to that. Soon as the last commercial aircraft has departed the necessary navigation infrastructure will be the first ti go IMO.

Reckless waste of more Public money!

 

[Aviador]

In a fantasy world you would pick DSA up and place it close to the M1 and M62 south of Leeds. You would then close Leeds Bradford and build a sizable operation of short, medium and long haul ops from the airport. Now back to the real world, close DSA and concentrate on LBA serving the Yorkshire region for the majority of short to medium haul ops whilst Manchester remains available for the majority of direct long haul ops.

 

[A400]

In a fantasy world you would pick DSA up and place it close to the M1 and M62 south of Leeds. You would then close Leeds Bradford and build a sizable operation of short, medium and long haul ops from the airport. Now back to the real world, close DSA and concentrate on LBA serving the Yorkshire region for the majority of short to medium haul ops whilst Manchester remains available for the majority of direct long haul ops.

It’s laughable some of the comments on Twitter Facebook etc with people saying that LBA should close and ops move to DSA without realising they don’t even have enough space to park all the based Jet2 aircraft never mind the 3 Ryanair’s and also the nightstopping KLM and Flybe and also their TUI based units.